What is Grayscale?Grayscale is the company that created the ETHE product. Their website is https://grayscale.co/
What is ETHE?ETHE is essentially a stock that intends to loosely track the price of ETH. It does so by having each ETHE be backed by a specific amount of ETH that is held on chain. Initially, the newly minted ETHE can only be purchased by institutions and accredited investors directly from Grayscale. Once a year has passed (6 months for GBTC) it can then be listed on the OTCQX Best Market exchange for secondary trading. Once listed on OTCQX, anyone investor can purchase at this point. Additional information on ETHE can be found here.
So ETHE is an ETF?No. For technical reasons beyond my personal understandings it is not labeled an ETF. I know it all flows back to the “Securities Act Rule 144”, but due to my limited knowledge on SEC regulations I don’t want to misspeak past that. If anyone is more knowledgeable on the subject I am happy to input their answer here.
How long has ETHE existed?ETHE was formed 12/14/2017. GBTC was formed 9/25/2013.
How is ETHE created?The trust will issue shares to “Authorized Participants” in groups of 100 shares (called baskets). Authorized Participants are the only persons that may place orders to create these baskets and they do it on behalf of the investor.
How does Grayscale acquire the ETH to collateralize the ETHE product?An Investor may acquire ETHE by paying in cash or exchanging ETH already owned.
Where does Grayscale store their ETH? Does it have a specific wallet address we can follow?ETH is stored with Coinbase Custody Trust Company, LLC. I am unaware of any specific address or set of addresses that can be used to verify the ETH is actually there.
Can ETHE be redeemed for ETH?No, currently there is no way to give your shares of ETHE back to Grayscale to receive ETH back. The only method of getting back into ETH would be to sell your ETHE to someone else and then use those proceeds to buy ETH yourself.
Why are they not redeeming shares?I think the report summarizes it best:
Redemptions of Shares are currently not permitted and the Trust is unable to redeem Shares. Subject to receipt of regulatory approval from the SEC and approval by the Sponsor in its sole discretion, the Trust may in the future operate a redemption program. Because the Trust does not believe that the SEC would, at this time, entertain an application for the waiver of rules needed in order to operate an ongoing redemption program, the Trust currently has no intention of seeking regulatory approval from the SEC to operate an ongoing redemption program.Source: Redemption Procedures on page 41 of the “Grayscale Ethereum Trust Annual Report (2019)” – Located Here
What is the fee structure?ETHE has an annual fee of 2.5%. GBTC has an annual fee of 2.0%. Fees are paid by selling the underlying ETH / BTC collateralizing the asset.
What is the ratio of ETH to ETHE?At the time of posting (6/19/2020) each ETHE share is backed by .09391605 ETH. Each share of GBTC is backed by .00096038 BTC.
Why is the ratio not 1:1? Why is it always decreasing?While I cannot say for certain why the initial distribution was not a 1:1 backing, it is more than likely to keep the price down and allow more investors a chance to purchase ETHE / GBTC.
I keep hearing about how this is locked supply… explain?As noted above, there is currently no redemption program for converting your ETHE back into ETH. This means that once an ETHE is issued, it will remain in circulation until a redemption program is formed --- something that doesn’t seem to be too urgent for the SEC or Grayscale at the moment. Tiny amounts will naturally be removed due to fees, but the bulk of the asset is in there for good.
The Trust’s ETH will be transferred out of the ETH Account only in the following circumstances: (i) transferred to pay the Sponsor’s Fee or any Additional Trust Expenses, (ii) distributed in connection with the redemption of Baskets (subject to the Trust’s obtaining regulatory approval from the SEC to operate an ongoing redemption program and the consent of the Sponsor), (iii) sold on an as-needed basis to pay Additional Trust Expenses or (iv) sold on behalf of the Trust in the event the Trust terminates and liquidates its assets or as otherwise required by law or regulation.Source: Description of Trust on page 31 of the “Grayscale Ethereum Trust Annual Report (2019)” – Located Here
Grayscale now owns a huge chunk of both ETH and BTC’s supply… should we be worried about manipulation, a sell off to crash the market crash, a staking cartel?First, it’s important to remember Grayscale is a lot more akin to an exchange then say an investment firm. Grayscale is working on behalf of its investors to create this product for investor control. Grayscale doesn’t ‘control’ the ETH it holds any more then Coinbase ‘controls’ the ETH in its hot wallet. (Note: There are likely some varying levels of control, but specific to this topic Grayscale cannot simply sell [legally, at least] the ETH by their own decision in the same manner Coinbase wouldn't be able to either.)
Yes, but what about [insert criminal act here]…Alright, yes. Technically nothing is stopping Grayscale from selling all the ETH / BTC and running off to the Bahamas (Hawaii?). BUT there is no real reason for them to do so. Barry is an extremely public figure and it won’t be easy for him to get away with that. Grayscale’s Bitcoin Trust creates SEC reports weekly / bi-weekly and I’m sure given the sentiment towards crypto is being watched carefully. Plus, Grayscale is making tons of consistent revenue and thus has little to no incentive to give that up for a quick buck.
That’s a lot of ‘happy little feels’ Bob, is there even an independent audit or is this Tether 2.0?Actually yes, an independent auditor report can be found in their annual reports. It is clearly aimed more towards the financial side and I doubt the auditors are crypto savants, but it is at least one extra set of eyes. Auditors are Friedman LLP – Auditor since 2015.
The company’s auditors Friedman LLP were also coincidentally TetheBitfinex’s auditors until They controversially parted ways in 2018 when the Tether controversy was at its height. I am not suggesting for one moment that there is anything shady about DCG - I just find it interesting it’s the same auditor.
“Grayscale sounds kind of lame” / “Not your keys not your crypto!” / “Why is anyone buying this, it sounds like a scam?”Welp, for starters this honestly is not really a product aimed at the people likely to be reading this post. To each their own, but do remember just because something provides no value to you doesn’t mean it can’t provide value to someone else. That said some of the advertised benefits are as follows:
Why is there a premium? Why is ETHE’s premium so insanely high compared to GBTC’s premium?There are a handful of theories of why a premium exists at all, some even mentioned in the annual report. The short list is as follows:
Are there any other differences between ETHE and GBTC?I touched on a few of the smaller differences, but one of the more interesting changes is GBTC is now a “SEC reporting company” as of January 2020. Which again goes beyond my scope of knowledge so I won’t comment on it too much… but the net result is GBTC is now putting out weekly / bi-weekly 8-K’s and annual 10-K’s. This means you can track GBTC that much easier at the moment as well as there is an extra layer of validity to the product IMO.
I’m looking for some statistics on ETHE… such as who is buying, how much is bought, etc?There is a great Q1 2020 report I recommend you give a read that has a lot of cool graphs and data on the product. It’s a little GBTC centric, but there is some ETHE data as well. It can be found here hidden within the 8-K filings.Q1 2020 is the 4/16/2020 8-K filing.
Is Grayscale only just for BTC and ETH?No, there are other products as well. In terms of a secondary market product, ETCG is the Ethereum Classic version of ETHE. Fun Fact – ETCG was actually put out to the secondary market first. It also has a 3% fee tied to it where 1% of it goes to some type of ETC development fund.
Are there alternatives to Grayscale?I know they exist, but I don’t follow them. I’ll leave this as a “to be edited” section and will add as others comment on what they know.
Coinshares (Formerly XBT provider) are the only similar product I know of. BTC, ETH, XRP and LTC as Exchange Traded Notes (ETN).
It looks like they are fully backed with the underlying crypto (no premium).
Denominated in SEK and EUR. Certainly available in some UK pensions (SIPP).
As asked by pegcity - Okay so I was under the impression you can just give them your own ETH and get ETHE, but do you get 11 ETHE per ETH or do you get the market value of ETH in USD worth of ETHE?I have always understood that the ETHE issued directly through Grayscale is issued without the premium. As in, if I were to trade 1 ETH for ETHE I would get 11, not say only 2 or 3 because the secondary market premium is so high. And if I were paying cash only I would be paying the price to buy 1 ETH to get my 11 ETHE. Per page 39 of their annual statement, it reads as follows:
The Trust will issue Shares to Authorized Participants from time to time, but only in one or more Baskets (with a Basket being a block of 100 Shares). The Trust will not issue fractions of a Basket. The creation (and, should the Trust commence a redemption program, redemption) of Baskets will be made only in exchange for the delivery to the Trust, or the distribution by the Trust, of the number of whole and fractional ETH represented by each Basket being created (or, should the Trust commence a redemption program, redeemed), which is determined by dividing (x) the number of ETH owned by the Trust at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the trade date of a creation or redemption order, after deducting the number of ETH representing the U.S. dollar value of accrued but unpaid fees and expenses of the Trust (converted using the ETH Index Price at such time, and carried to the eighth decimal place), by (y) the number of Shares outstanding at such time (with the quotient so obtained calculated to one one-hundred-millionth of one ETH (i.e., carried to the eighth decimal place)), and multiplying such quotient by 100 (the “Basket ETH Amount”). All questions as to the calculation of the Basket ETH Amount will be conclusively determined by the Sponsor and will be final and binding on all persons interested in the Trust. The Basket ETH Amount multiplied by the number of Baskets being created or redeemed is the “Total Basket ETH Amount.” The number of ETH represented by a Share will gradually decrease over time as the Trust’s ETH are used to pay the Trust’s expenses. Each Share represented approximately 0.0950 ETH and 0.0974 ETH as of December 31, 2019 and 2018, respectively.
No. If you have to ask, please do not touch bitcoin yet. You will spend more on electricity cost than mining any substantial bitcoin. Seriously. At all. A 7990 would produce a pitiful 0.02879 XBT (USD $14 @ $500/XBT exchange rate) for the next 30 days starting 23 Nov 2013 at 35% difficulty increase.
And if you think you can mine on your laptop either on a CPU or GPU, you are probably going to melt it before you even get 0.01 XBT.
Probably not because you probably forgot that GPUs and CPUs produce a ton of heat and noise. You can try but I see no point earning < $20 bucks per month.
No, because your machine will probably not mine as much as buying bitcoins. This situation is called the opportunity cost. While you can still make money if XBT rise in value, it is a fallacy.IE: if you start mining on 1 Dec 2013, a KnC Jupiter running at 450Gh/sec (KnC lies as not all chips run at 550Gh/sec) will yield you a total revenue of 9.5189 XBT with a profit of 0.7859 XBT in profit by 30th Jan 2014 at a constant difficulty increase of 35%. The opportunity cost is: 8.5910 XBT @ USD $580/XBT with USD $5,000 which is the cost of a KnC Jupiter. This is the best you can earn and it's a bloody optimistic assumption because:
The only circumstances where you will earn money is when XBT exchange rates is so high that it makes the opportunity cost pales in comparison. Unfortunately this is not the case. If XBT stabilized at 900/XBT today (20 Nov 2013) then we might have a good case.
- You are assuming your pre-order will arrive on time. (I do not think any first batch pre-order from any manufacturer has arrived on time).
- All pre-orders are sold out for 1 Dec.
- You are assuming your chips will run at 450Gh/sec minimum but many miners here will tell you their chips have been under performing.
- Electricity cost have not been taken into account.
- Shipping cost and time has not been taking into account.
- Import Tax or VAT has not been taken into account.
- Risk of downtime due to DOA or warranties has not been taken into account.
- You are assuming the difficulty increase will be a constant 35% which is very unlikely because Cointerra with a team that has worked on some of the world’s highest performance CPUs, GPUs and chipsets for NVIDIA, Intel, Samsung, Qualcomm and Nortel has pre-sold an absurd amount of hash rate. Difficulty increase of 45% or more (which we have seen when a small player, KnC shipped their 1st batch) will be repeated commonly. This is only 1 company, imagine what the rest will come out with. I have failed repeatedly and so have many in estimating future hashrate. You wont be able to do better.
- Even if you earn some profit, it will be < 15% and will probably be not worth your risk or your trouble. I can buy and hold XBT with no risk of losing them.
The risk is just generally not worth it. Unless you have at least a hundred thousand and can make a contract with a manufacturer for a lower cost, do not bother. Just wait until the arms race is over then you can start mining.
Okay, go buy an AsicMiner USB Block Erupter. They are cheap and pretty fun to have.
Sure, just read the answer below on who NOT to go for. You are doing bitcoin a service by securing the network and you have our (the users') gratitude.
You can check out the manufacturers and their products below along with a calculator here.
If you still insist on buying, do not to go for BFL. Their track record is horrid and borderline scammish. KnC fucked up a lot with defective boards and chips. Personally, I think CoinTerra is the best choice.
Alternatively, you can go on the secondary market to buy a delivered product. You can get a better deal there if you know how to do your "return on investment (ROI)" calculation. Personally, I will go for a 45%-50% difficulty increase for the next 3 months for my calculations and a 2% pool fee.
However, most products on ebay are sold at a cost much higher than it should. bitcointalk.org is a cheaper place because everyone knows what are the true value is so you will find less options. If you are unclear or need assistance, please post a question.
I actually do not use any of the pools recommended to the left because I think they lack features.
My favourite is Bitminter (Variable fees based on features used; max 2%). It has all advanced features for a pool, very responsive and helpful owner on IRC. Variable fees is good for those who do not need a large feature set, even with all features turned on, it is still cheap.
Eligius (0% fees) has high value for money but lacks features. It has anonymous mining which might be attractive to certain subset of people but not for others. Many other community member and I disagree highly with the opinions of the owner on the direction of bitcoin. I do use his pool for now but I do so only because I share my miners with a few partners and anonymous mining allows us to monitor the machines without using an account. Bitminter uses only OpenID which is problematic for me.
BTC Guild (3% fees) is another big pool and is fully featured and does charge a premium for their fees. That said, they are the most stable of the lot. I do use them but do so only because my hoster uses them for monitoring. I try not to use them because a pool with a very large hash rate (they are the largest) presents a large vulnerability to bitcoin's network if compromised.
All of them pay out transaction fees.
In partnership with Coinbase, Fidelity implemented on its website the option to display holdings in Bitcoin, Litecoin and Ethereum. - CNBC Aug 9thNow let's not get ahead of ourselves.. Nobody can say for certain that 'Litecoin' will make investors wealthy... However we can take the best calculated risks to ensure we are reliably correct. Looking at the overall picture, without a doubt I feel Litecoin is clearly around for the long-term. And when I say long-term I don't mean a few years, I mean there's a good chance Litecoin will be around for decades. How many asset's out there can you say with confidence will be around for decades? There aren't many...
Goldman Sachs is reportedly investigating into the plan of launching a cryptocurrency trading platform to provide sufficient liquidity towards institutional and retail traders. “In response to client interest in digital currencies, we are exploring how best to serve them in the space,” - Goldman Sachs Oct 1st, 2017
“Some of you might be wondering: Why am I here today? I’m here because I love this stuff... all that the future might hold.” - Abigail Johnson, CEO FidelitySo the biggest question I suppose would be, 'What makes Litecoin so special compared to the other cryptocurrencies?' Well to answer that question let's list some highlights.
One of Fidelity’s projects is mining bitcoin and ethereum, which Johnson said was started for educational purposes, but now turns a tidy profit. “We set up a small bitcoin and ethereum mining operation…that miraculously now is actually making a lot of money,”. - Abigail Johnson, CEO Fidelity
Along with JPMorgan, more than a dozen banks, including Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs Group Inc and Credit Suisse Group AG, have acted as brokers for buying and selling Bitcoin XBT on Nasdaq’s Stockholm-based exchange, according to Swedish online bank Nordnet AB. - Bitcoin XBT
👉1. Definition of Cryptocurrency As a kind of digital currency (also called virtual currency), cryptocurrency is a medium of exchange that uses cryptography to ensure the security of financial transactions and digital assets. Unlike the traditional currency or fiat, cryptocurrency is no longer issued and managed by central bank. Instead, it is generated from a decentralized and distributed ledger system, typically called blockchain, by calculating and solving some math problems. In other words, the process of cryptocurrency production is called mining. Here is an example of Bitcoin mining. 👉2. Current Transaction Modes for Cryptocurrency Similar to fiat currency, cryptocurrency is also tradable. There are 3 popular transaction modes for cryptocurrency on most crypto exchanges around the world. 1) Fiat to Crypto Trading You can use fiat currency to purchase cryptocurrency in crypto exchanges. Before that, you have to do KYC in the exchange platform, and adding your debit card or other payment methods. Then, you can choose to buy BTC, ETH, LTC or any other with fiat. 2) Crypto to Crypto Trading Transaction between cryptocurrencies means that you can use BTC to buy ETH, LTC, EOS and more. In fiat to crypto transaction, it uses fiat to price a kind of cryptocurrency. But in crypto to crypto trading, for example, BTC's current price is used to price another crytocurrency. 3) Cryptocurrency Leverage Trading In leverage trading, also called crypto futures trading, cryptocurrency holders can leverage their existing amount of tokens/digital assets to enter a larger trade. That means you must deposit the minimum amount of BTC, ETH, LTC, etc. as margin to open a position. Then, you can open long or open short, and choose 5x, 10x, 50x,etc. #Bexplus #BTC #cryptocurrency #crypto#btcnewssubmitted by bexplus to u/bexplus [link] [comments]
In the last 6 months, 4.28 million Bitcoin were traded on Bitfinex (Bitcoinity). Assuming they net 0.20% per transaction (since they offer affiliate programs and some market makers trade for free) then we can estimate a top-line revenue of 8,560 XBT. At $400 per Bitcoin, that’s $3.42 million. Bitfinex has between 10 to 20 staff. Bitfinex wants the community to believe that they earn no profit. Or that on average employees make $342,000 per year (assuming 20 employees). That’s a better average employee compensation than Goldman Sachs.Another interesting analysis:
Bitfinex is afraid of US-pound-me-in-the-ass prison, or a company-ending-fine from one of the many alphabet letter agencies in the US. The most likely scenario that a large amount of US customer funds were not taxed so that the fiction of segregated accounts could be preserved.https://blog.bitmex.com/youve-been-buttfinessed/
The XBT chain of futures contracts allows investors to speculate on the future price of the Bitcoin / USD (XBTUSD) exchange rate. These are classed as Speculative contracts and feature leverage of up to 100x.Ok, seems normal enough. And then...
Traders wishing to profit from an increase in the XBTUSD exchange rate will buy XBT contracts. The difference between where a trader buys the futures contract and where the XBTUSD exchange rate is on settlement day, multiplied by 0.00001 XBT, is the trader’s profit.ok, fine. So what's a quanto?
The XBT futures contracts are considered quanto futures contracts. That is because the multiplier is in XBT while the contract is quoted in USD. Traders who measure their Profit and Loss (PNL) in Bitcoin terms will receive a linear payout. Traders who measure their PNL in USD terms will receive a non-linear payout.Whoa, sounds pretty cool. Better upside, and not as bad downside. Where have you been all my life?!
USD Contract Value = Futures Price2 * 0.00001 XBT * Number of Contracts
Because the price is squared the return resembles that of a parabola. For bullish traders, the upside is better and downside is not as bad when trading the XBT futures contracts.
((1+((x-STRIKE)*(LEVERAGE/ STRIKE)))*x)/STRIKE -1 MULTIPLIER being negative means its short The result will give you for example 1.2 = 120% profit.Edit: Math is off, gunna look at it later and fix it.
Quantity: 10000And I got the following as a result:
Entry Price: 10880.0
Exit Price: 11000.0
Margin: 0.0105 XBTFrom what I understand, this means that I would pay 0.0105 BTC and then if I exited at the exit price, I would have gained my initial investment of 0.0105 BTC back, as well as an additional 0.01 BTC. Is this correct or am I reading this wrong or something?am i living a lie?
Entry Value: -0.9191 XBT
Exit Value: -0.9091 XBT
Profit/Loss: 0.0100 XBT
Profit/Loss %: 1.09%
ROE %: 108.80%
Liquidation Price: 10828.5So since my entry price of 10880 was a pretty low dip from 11k at the time, and it looked like the value of BTC was rising again, I decided that it'd be risky but not unreasonable, to assume that it wouldn't dip to the liquidation price of 10828.5. So now I put my hypothetical 0.0105 BTC in and waited...
import json # import urllib.request, urllib.parse, urllib.error <-- no need for this stuff at the moment import requests #this is better2) I need to fetch public ticker info for XBT/EUR pair and this is where I get stuck
XBT 0.01 EUR 38.54The trade is closed. No further action is required. These balances will stay unchanged until a new trade is done.
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This view shows "Mom (10, close)" as our Momentum indicator, using 10-interval data based on the closing price of each interval.Momentum lines will not necessarily follow a price line! They track changes in the price, not the price itself. If a price is rising at a consistent rate, the momentum line may show no change - because the rate of change is staying constant. Watch for this mistake in your own trading plan.
Notice how the price activity and the momentum line appear very close. This is because in such events as big uptrends, like seen 07:30 and 09:00, often have increasing price, as well as an increasing rate of change. Meaning, not only is it rising fast, but it's rising faster as it goes. Similarly, the fall-off that follows starts off a fast decrease, but the rate of change decreases and the price settles around $819USD, with very low relative momentum.
If the momentum line is flatlined, that means the price is no accelerating nor decelerating - this can still occur when the price is changing, so long as it is changing the same amount every interval!Momentum can be used as a trend reversal signal, ahead of the actual price change. To use this as a leading indicator, watch for the momentum to peak, followed by a divergence in momentum and price (I.e. the price rises as the momentum peaks and falls). This can signal a change in price trend, and can help a trader exit a position.
100 RSI = 100 - -------- 1 + RS RS = Average Gain / Average LossA more in-depth explanation of its calculation can be found here on StockCharts.com.
The RSI, spending most of its time between 30 and 70.Similarly, a drop below 30 means the security has changed in price so fast and so far in the downward direction that most traders have already sold their shares, and the coin is now considered cheap -an opportunity for bulls to buy back in.
A quick note about Bitcoin volatility: lower volatility encourages merchant adoption, as fewer significant changes in currency valuation generally means it's easier to tag items at certain prices denominated in XBTs. When the valuation fluctuates a lot in periods of high volatility, it's hard to know how much a single Bitcoin will buy. For that reason, vendors are forced to value their items in a traditional, more consistently valued currency, and adjust the actual Bitcoin denominated price according to how much of the traditional currency they expect to get. Example: A vendor wants to sell an item for Bitcoin, but is unsure if today's value of 0.058 XBT will have that same buying power a month from now - so she pegs the price at $50USD and will adjust the XBT price display as the value changes. Generally speaking, high volatility is opportune for aggressive traders, and low volatility is opportune for vendors and Bitcoin believers. There's the silver lining in both situations.How can we use volatility to our advantage in our trading plan? By creating channels that predict a future price range, of course! We can measure volatility using standard deviation. This is a "measure of the dispersion of prices away from the average," in Barbara Rockefeller's words. The raw standard deviation isn't a terribly useful indicator on its own, and you likely won't find it in trading software - because others have built on it to make more reliable indicators, one of the most widely used being Bollinger Bands.
Also worth noting: Generally speaking, higher volatility and trader anticipation over a new price move are linked. Excited traders make for more excited price activity - it's a real thing!
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